The Case Car Dealers Don't Want You To Know About

"SteveLehto" (stevelehto) 01/19/2015 at 13:00 • Filed to: None

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A Michigan man named Clarence Miller bought a brand new Dodge which was delivered without a spare tire. When the dealer said they could not provide him a spare right away, Clarence stopped payment on the car and the Michigan Supreme Court agreed with him.

In legal circles, the case of !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! is well-known, and often called "The Spare Tire Case." It is a landmark, even cited and followed in other states for its interpretation of a key section of the Uniform Commercial Code which allows a buyer to revoke his or her acceptance of goods. That is, the buyer can return something for a refund. And in this context, the car is the "goods" being returned. Car dealers were not happy with this ruling.

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Clarence Miller was a traveling salesman and went to Colonial Dodge to buy a new 1976 Dodge Royal Monaco station wagon. He ordered a "heavy-duty trailer package with extra wide tires," and told the salesman about how his job often required him to drive hundreds of miles on Detroit roads at all odd hours and he was very concerned about the dependability of the car. It appears he gave them a check as a down payment and then another check when he took delivery of the wagon at delivery.

He got the vehicle home and discovered it had no spare tire. He called the dealer and asked them if they could get him one forthwith and they told him that they could not – they would only be able to get him one in a few months. They blamed a labor problem in the tire industry but Miller stuck to his guns. When told that a spare tire would not be forthcoming, he stopped payment on the two checks he had given the dealer and told them to come get their car which was parked in front of his house.

The dealer, as you might imagine, did not come and retrieve the car and were quite upset about the two checks which did not clear. They filed suit. And the car was towed away when the temporary plates expired. The case made it all the way to the Michigan Supreme Court which is actually quite an accomplishment all on its own. The court only agrees to hear about a hundred cases a year of the thousands !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! .

The Michigan Supreme Court noted that a buyer who accepts goods in a sales transaction can !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! if there is a nonconformity in the goods which substantially impairs the value of the goods to the buyer. There are two occasions where a buyer might be in this position: 1) where the buyer knew the goods were nonconforming but had been told they would be repaired or 2) where the nonconformity had not been discovered because of a difficulty in discovering the nonconformity. The Court noted that the spare tire in the vehicle was "under a fastened panel, concealed from view," making it reasonable that Miller had not noticed it at the time of delivery.

The court ruled in favor of Miller. The car which had been towed away from in front of his house was not his - it was the dealer's. And those checks? Miller had no obligation to make them good.

Dealers have attempted to battle this decision by adding all kinds of !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! to their purchase agreements but they cannot rewrite the law. If you buy and accept a product and it contains a nonconformity - notice that the law does not say "defect" - you may be able to revoke your acceptance of that product if the nonconformity substantially impairs the value of the goods to you. What is "substantial"? That is always the question and it will vary from case to case, buyer to buyer, and even state to state. But in this case, it was nothing more than a missing spare tire.

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The Uniform Commercial Code has been adopted in almost every state - thanks Louisiana for making me have to qualify that - and the concept of revocation of acceptance is something everyone should know about. But trust me: Car dealers really do not want you to know about this case.

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Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:08

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The UCC is not adopted in Louisiana? Huh, took a business law class last semester and about a third of the class was based off specific parts of the UCC. But I guess thats not really a priority at a school in Michigan.

dogisbadob > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:09

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Full size spare tires are awesome

SteveLehto > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 01/19/2015 at 13:10

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The prof didn't mention it? Louisiana is the hold out on this one.

kyle242gt > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:10

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Oughtta be able to do that with any car without a spare. Runflats my arse.

SteveLehto > dogisbadob 01/19/2015 at 13:11

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And space savers are of the devil.

gallahad > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 01/19/2015 at 13:11

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LA's an odd duck since it's law is largely based off of civil law left behind by the French, whereas everyone else in the country uses common law from the English.

Edit: although now that I'm reading, wiki says that LA does use the UCC.

spanfucker retire bitch > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:13

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Steve, I absolutely love reading your articles. But could you choose a less clickbaity headline? It really tarnishes your very professional work/writing.

jason > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:14

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Y'all know how many cars are not built with a spare tire these days? LOTS .... check it out for yourselves ... I wonder if this specific case would hold water now that many cars DO NOT come with one ... Lots of compact cars, and of course, cars with run-flats ...

OMG, TTA! > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:14

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Steve, I really enjoy your articles. Keep it up!

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:15

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Nope, must not thought it was important I guess. He knew his shit though, registered lawyer, used actual court cases and real life scenarios to explain just about every topic we discussed.

SteveLehto > spanfucker retire bitch 01/19/2015 at 13:15

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This one was click bait? I really didn't think so.

"The Case Which Demonstrates the Limits for Revocation of Acceptance Under Michigan's Version of the Uniform Commercial Code" would have gotten zero clicks.

What is the happy medium?

Tranman > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:15

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So THAT'S why more and more cars aren't coming with spare tires these days... runflats were developed to combat the Spare Tire Case...

TopSirloin > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:15

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Great article. Makes me think nowadays they must have you sign or initial something limiting their liability, especially considering the vast number of options/configurations and extras involved when selecting and purchasing a vehicle.

Secondly, that's a lot of work on his end that he did not get paid to do. I don't think I'd do the same thing. I'd probably just wait it out instead of going toe to toe for so long.

SteveLehto > jason 01/19/2015 at 13:16

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The key here is that the spare was part of the purchase agreement (otherwise, they could have just grabbed any old spare off another car on the lot, presumably).

SteveLehto > OMG, TTA! 01/19/2015 at 13:17

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Thanks for the comment. I appreciate it.

SteveLehto > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 01/19/2015 at 13:17

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He probably figured it would only matter if you were planning on doing business in LA. What are the odds of doing that if you are in MICH.

Which school was it?

deekster_caddy > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:18

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I don't like clickbaity headlines, and I don't think this was one. Especially since the case set a precedence that has real legal impact today.

SteveLehto > TopSirloin 01/19/2015 at 13:18

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That is the impressive part. The cost of taking this to the state supreme court (and the length of time involved) was crazy.

deekster_caddy > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:19

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What I really want to know is where this car is today??? Because it needs to be found and restored!

a new 1976 Dodge Royal Monaco station wagon. He ordered a "heavy-duty trailer package with extra wide tires,"

450X_FTW > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:19

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"You won't believe what happened when this man brought his new car home!!" Too much?

SteveLehto > deekster_caddy 01/19/2015 at 13:19

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I also admit that headlines are not my specialty. The few times I have asked people to help me with them, they have always made them MORE so rather than less.

Then again, I'm a lawyer, not a headline-writer-guy.

StevenG > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:20

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What does that make the goo gone many brands are now giving out instead of even donuts?

webmonkees > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:20

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A friend's 1992 van was built with 'new' 1978 dashboard parts. But compliant.

Nate with shorter name > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:20

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Still better than a can of "fix-a-flat" and an electric air pump. That will work great with a blow-out.

bbutle01 > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:20

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Reads too much like "The Amazing product the oil companies don't want you to know about!"

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:21

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Grand Valley State. I like to call it the biggest school you've never heard of.

spanfucker retire bitch > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:22

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You ever see those hyperlinks at the bottom of articles on sites like Cracked, or pretty much any other "aggregate news" site? "Here's the one secret the Pharmaceuticals don't want you to know about" and any variation of that, is pretty common.

I think "The Spare Tire Case" might be a good catch, but you're better at this whole writing thing than I am.

ERN > gallahad 01/19/2015 at 13:22

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Wikipedia is not a very reliable source - especially re: anything even remotely political.

SteveLehto > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 01/19/2015 at 13:22

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Cool. I am familiar with it but I am from Michigan.

TadKosciuszko > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:22

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So what other kinds of nonconformities have you seen successfully used as an argument in disputed car purchases?

The Devil Drives a Mustang (Rotary Pending) > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:23

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A law stating that every news article should be titled like a doctoral dissertation would be awesome. As an example, Einstein's paper on the photoelectric effect was titled "On a Heuristic Viewpoint Concerning the Production and Transformation of Light"

SteveLehto > spanfucker retire bitch 01/19/2015 at 13:24

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But I thought this one was okay since it was true. You need to see how dealer attorneys react when this case is mentioned.

If I had said "The case that causes car dealers to freak out!" or some such, I would think that was over the top.

But hey, this is a process.

ERN > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:25

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I have probably only needed a spare three times in the last 25 years; maybe five times total in the almost 40 years I've been driving. The space saver has been perfectly adequate.

SteveLehto > TadKosciuszko 01/19/2015 at 13:26

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Usually, defects. There are reported cases though of things like a motorhome that didn't handle mountain roads well and of a truck that couldn't tow a trailer after the salesman promised it would.

upsidedownfunnel > spanfucker retire bitch 01/19/2015 at 13:26

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This style of headline, when providing a good story, is fine. You've been conditioned to hate it usually because it's click-bait and has a junk story behind it. It was interesting, and the title was intriguing. Not a problem for me.

spanfucker retire bitch > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:26

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Like I said, you've still got great content. Yours are some of my favorite articles to read. Especially here on Oppo. Always informative - especially this one.

Just some (hopefully) constructive criticism for going forward.

ERN > TopSirloin 01/19/2015 at 13:26

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One cannot contract away one's own liability.

Just wear your damn mask... > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:27

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I wonder if this is why the dealership reacted the way it did when we discovered that they had etched the wrong VIN on every window of my wife's (then) new Jetta...

SteveLehto > The Devil Drives a Mustang (Rotary Pending) 01/19/2015 at 13:27

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Or, as he wanted to call it:

"The One Effect of Light Which Will Blow Your Mind!"

sklooner > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:27

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The one weird trick car dealers don't want you to know-

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Talk about a missed title opportunity...

Have Jeep, will travel. > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:28

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I love your legal postings they are always a good read.

SteveLehto > spanfucker retire bitch 01/19/2015 at 13:28

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I love criticism so never worry about dishing it out. At least, so long as it is of the type which is constructive rather than the "You suck!" variety.

Thanks.

SteveLehto > sklooner 01/19/2015 at 13:29

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Needs a little more:

The One Weird Trick Car Dealers Don't Want You To Know - That Will Make You Rich!

SteveLehto > 404 - User No Longer Available 01/19/2015 at 13:29

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Is it too late to use?!

Party-vi > webmonkees 01/19/2015 at 13:31

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Ford's been doing this since 1996 with the Expedition. A new Expedition still looks like one from 1996 and uses the same body panels.

TopSirloin > ERN 01/19/2015 at 13:33

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So they can't sneak in something that says "Customer takes full liability of vehicle upon delivery and upon completion of vehicle inspection to be as guaranteed" and get around UCC obligations? To be honest, my last experience purchasing a vehicle involved lots of initialing and signing that by the end, I could have failed to read something thoroughly.

Jimmy Joe Meeker > webmonkees 01/19/2015 at 13:33

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Date wheels on injection molded parts? If so my guess would be the date code wheels being ignored since the tool was built in 1978.

Mercedes Streeter > Party-vi 01/19/2015 at 13:37

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You just blew my mind. Holy hell, the Expedition really hasn't changed all that much from its inception!!

RedWillDanaher > Just wear your damn mask... 01/19/2015 at 13:37

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Are you really just going to leave us hanging in regards to their reaction?

Built BMW Tough > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:39

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Is this exclusive to certain states?

In CA, you buy a used car as-is . A customer can purchase a contract cancellation option, but they have to pay to exercise that option (restocking fee). When you buy the car, you also sign a due bill that states nothing is promised or due or [insert what is owed].

No one can stop Mr. Entropy > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:39

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"The [situation X] that [profession Y] doesn't want you to know about" is a proven headline formula for luring people into content-free advertisements. Somebody with a poorly filtered newsfeed would reflexively skip over it.

This time it described the content very well, and the content was interesting and useful.

An unfortunate case where "clickbait" and "accurate" overlap.

SteveLehto > Built BMW Tough 01/19/2015 at 13:41

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This is Michigan's interpretation of that section of the UCC. The UCC has been adopted in 49/50 states. If I was in another state I would look to see if this section has been interpreted there yet. If not, I would point to this as a way of arguing it is the way things ought to be in that state.

hellohowareyouimfinehowareyou > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:46

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How about: "How to return a car, or The Case of Colonial Dodge vs. Miller"?

Forty61Graphics > bbutle01 01/19/2015 at 13:46

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Beat the oil companies with this one simple trick!

Ruffles > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:48

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What would have happened if he hadn't discovered the missing tire until he'd made a couple of payments?

SteveLehto > hellohowareyouimfinehowareyou 01/19/2015 at 13:48

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Not sure either of those would get readers at all. And technically, the first half is not accurate. This is WHEN you can return a car for non-conformity. Which brings us into the realm of nonreadability . . . .

SteveLehto > Ruffles 01/19/2015 at 13:50

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His case would have gotten weaker as more time went by. There is no bright line as to when he would have lost the right to revoke but he would have had a major problem after making a couple of payments I would think.

Clay_T > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:50

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For what it's worth, I hardly read a headline before checking who wrote it. You could have titled it "Bonzo goes to college" andI'd have read it anyway.

Clickbate shmickbate...

deekster_caddy > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:50

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What I don't like is the "This guy was having an average time WHEN SOMETHING AMAZING HAPPENED" and you open it to see a video of somebody getting a wedding proposal on a raft while dropping over the edge of Niagra Falls or something. That's clickbaity. Your headline at least matches the content!

SteveLehto > Clay_T 01/19/2015 at 13:51

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Should I just start titling them "STEVE LEHTO'S LATEST!" ?

Oh wait, I think someone else is already doing that on Jalopnik with their name . . . .

SteveLehto > deekster_caddy 01/19/2015 at 13:52

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Or, "What This Puppy Did Next Will Cause Your Spleen to Catch Fire!"

If it needs hyperbole of that magnitude to get me to click, I know I will be disappointed.

Takuro Spirit > webmonkees 01/19/2015 at 13:53

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Nice Maxipad.

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Takuro Spirit > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:58

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I love making sure the "buyers guide" matches the used vehicle I'm purchasing. Not sure how it is in other states but in WI you have a basic list of equipment listed that the dealer/lot checks as LEGAL or NOT LEGAL. There's a HUGE gray area there, but when our 2004 Nissan Quest was missing the spare tire marked as "LEGAL", I made sure the dealer coughed one up ASAP. Good thing salvage yards have tons of unused donut spares.

Why did I notice it until we got the van home?

You have to move BOTH front seats all the way forward, remove a piece of carpet in the middle of the van, and open a hatch that contains the thing.

DirtyVDub > ERN 01/19/2015 at 13:58

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I take it you've not been driving Detroit roads for those last 40 years? It's gotten better but it's still rough. Even the Donks don't run lo-pros.

curbwatching > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:59

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I agree wholeheartedly with his choice of chariot.

If I were a traveling salesman in 1976, I'd be plunking down for the same thing.

dmat > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 13:59

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you wouldnt care to give a quick explaination of what is going on in louisiana. Is there something else in place or have they just refused to adopt the ruling?

MFEJAL grey because who knows... > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 14:00

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For me the clickbait is your name as author.

SteveLehto > dmat 01/19/2015 at 14:00

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It is the Uniform Commercial Code they chose to not adopt. They have their own set of laws and much of it mirrors the UCC but it is quite confusing to a non Louisianan.

Snooder87 > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 14:01

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I wish we'd studied that case in 1L contracts. Instead we did a couple of really confusing computer cases for revocation of acceptance. Probably a significant factor in why I am not practicing law right now.

SteveLehto > MFEJAL grey because who knows... 01/19/2015 at 14:01

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I admit, the name is a bit over the top!

Thanks.

curbwatching > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 14:02

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"Headline-Writer Guy" really needs to be on someone 's business card.

SteveLehto > Snooder87 01/19/2015 at 14:02

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This case did not come up in my contracts class (I went to school in CA) but it does pop up often in UCC classes. Those, as you can imagine, can be quite dull (even by law school standards).

Dest > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 14:04

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I really like these articles.

Built BMW Tough > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 14:05

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Thank you! An honest salesman wants to maintain a good reputation for themselves and the dealership they work for, so transparency is key.

The CA UCC does have provisions for cars that weren't as advertised, but there's still room in there for caveat emptor. There's only so much we can do to protect buyers from themselves.

Eddie Brannan > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 14:06

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Another great and informative piece as always, Steve. Thank you.

SteveLehto > Dest 01/19/2015 at 14:06

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Thanks. I appreciate it!

dmat > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 14:07

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being from the state, its confusing to residents too.

SteveLehto > Eddie Brannan 01/19/2015 at 14:07

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Thanks, I appreciate the note.

Eddie Brannan > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 14:08

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17 legal precedents car dealers don't want you to know about. Number 9 will blew your mind.

I believe that headline structure to be clickbait best practice.

Wagonboy > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 14:09

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We invoked this rule in 2008 and we weren't aware we were invoking it. Our 2008 BMW 328i wagon was delivered without the luggage cover/cargo net roller. When we looked at the car and test drove it was there and the invoice listed it as an option. But we didn't know it was missing until we got home. We called the bank to put stops on the down and first payment in case there was an issue with the dealer and I followed my wife to the dealer prepared to leave the car there.

The sales manager and salesman were predictably astonished and vaguely skeptical that the car left the lot without the luggage cover. I informed them that I had put stops on the checks and would be leaving "their" car on the lot until the matter could be resolved. When I heard that this piece costs $750.00 I about hit the floor. Luckily, this is our 3rd BMW purchased from this dealer and we've had a very good relationship with them.

An hour later, after 6 people turned the dealership upside down looking for the luggage cover, we drove home with our new BMW when they ordered the part, at their expense, and had it shipped to our house.

Another salesman must have pilfered it out of our car to sweeten the pot for another customer....Or somebody there knows how pricey a luggage cover is for a BMW wagon.

Lesson learned; Take the time to open every door, lid, panel, cubby, brochure cover, tool kit and seat back pouch to make sure everything you ordered, every option and everything on the build sheet is there and in order. Turn on and off each and every system, gizmo and feature from the Sat radio to the power door locks.

SteveLehto > Eddie Brannan 01/19/2015 at 14:10

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The Puppy in #7 is missing organs you will not believe!

Longroof > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 14:11

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These are becoming some of my favourite articles.. I think I'm slowly becoming dull?! I'll scroll past an article on turbo porsches to read about court rulings from 1976.

Compliments to Steve for writing about legal matters in such a way that we're still reading!

Just wear your damn mask... > RedWillDanaher 01/19/2015 at 14:12

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Yes

hellohowareyouimfinehowareyou > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 14:12

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Is it only a snoozer because it doesn't force you to click on it to learn anything? The reason your headline is clickbait is because it doesn't tell you jack shit. Headlines used to be at the top of an article because you could read them and get the most important information right away. You know, back when journalism was actually a thing.

SteveLehto > Longroof 01/19/2015 at 14:13

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Thanks for the note!

My goal is to make these legal principles and stories easy to understand.

Eddie Brannan > dogisbadob 01/19/2015 at 14:14

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In some senses space savers are possibly better than full-size tires as they require you to head immediately to the garage/tire store and remedy the issue, rather than mounting the spare, throwing the flat in the spare wheel holder and forgetting all about it.

SteveLehto > hellohowareyouimfinehowareyou 01/19/2015 at 14:15

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Ahhhh. You are mistaking me for a journalist.

Actually, I completely understand your criticism and am working on this. I have written a lot of articles now and have had ones which I thought were great that no one read. I often wondered if the headline was part of it?

Some of this is trial and error (and the errors are all mine).

Thanks.

Just wear your damn mask... > RedWillDanaher 01/19/2015 at 14:17

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When we discovered that the VINs were incorrect many phone calls and many months after confirming that 1) the numbers were wrong and 2) the numbers belonged to the blue Jetta that was sitting next to it on the lot, to solve the problem, which involved the dealer replacing every piece of glass in the car. I asked a buddy of mine, who worked at another store in the dealer group to find out what was taking so long to order glass for a car that had been in production for 4-5 years. He was told to drop it and if he asked again he'd be out of a job.

HemiJKU > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 14:18

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I wonder if the dealer in this case is the Colonial Dodge that used to be in Eastpointe. Back in like 2008-2009 I had a problem with that dealership and shortly after they went out of business.

RedWillDanaher > Just wear your damn mask... 01/19/2015 at 14:19

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More like Captain Shirk Your Storytelling Duties ...

ETA: More like I didn't type this response fast enough.

SteveLehto > HemiJKU 01/19/2015 at 14:22

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I believe you are correct.

Eddie Brannan > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 14:23

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Couldn't resist adding this photo of the actual model in question. That car just embodies 1970s American suburbia, doesn't it?

Smokin Jay > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 01/19/2015 at 14:26

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In my experience with oil and gas law I think it would be fair to assume that unless you study Louisiana law specifically you should make absolutely no assumptions that anything you know about law applies to that state. Just as a rule of thumb.

TheDudeAbides_(version 2.0) > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 14:34

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Hey Steve, what's that "New rule drivers in "your IPs reported location" are furious about not knowing"?

Seriously though, there was absolutely nothing click-baity about that headline. It was a little sensational, but it delivered, so it does not constitute click-bait.

RobG-ADV > spanfucker retire bitch 01/19/2015 at 14:35

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I didn't think the headline was click-baity at all. Sure, some are (not necessarily his), but I'd say most are not.

SteveLehto > TheDudeAbides_(version 2.0) 01/19/2015 at 14:36

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Thanks.

I appreciate the note.

RobG-ADV > Nate with shorter name 01/19/2015 at 14:37

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Anybody remember years ago when Car & Driver Magazine did a test on the space saver spare tires? Turns out they're a heck of a lot more durable than you might think. I Googled for it briefly but couldn't find it.

filmlandgrab@gmail.com > SteveLehto 01/19/2015 at 14:37

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Although I sort of 'root' for Miller in this case, I find it interesting that the dealer is left holding the bag on a product they don't make (though obviously did sell). Could the dealer in turn make a dispute (sue) w/the manufacturer?

Also, Chrysler in the '70's...I think everyone loses.